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Posted: Thu Apr 6th, 2006 04:57 am |
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The video that was brought up by one of your classmates can be found at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9V1Cy-aqI&search=taser
What is your opinion? How does it compare to our discussion on reasonable and necessary? What, if anything, could have been done differently?
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SCook315
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Posted: Tue Apr 25th, 2006 10:17 pm |
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| I think things could have been done diffferently. It just seems that the officer was just getting annoyed of her loud mouth and her uncompliant attitude. I think she did over dramatize it a bit so other people could witness it. Kinda hard to tell if she did take a swing at the other officer.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25th, 2006 10:22 pm |
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I'm pretty sure most of you have seen this video but it still amazes me that the driver was only 15 years old and never got caught by the police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64oJj1GtIBw
Watch the video carefully, they never show the teenager getting caught, they just loop the video and say that he got caught. A friend of mine on a car forum told me that the suspect was turned in by his father.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26th, 2006 02:29 pm |
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First off let me just say that the officer did not follow protocal, as in location and plates, as you know that was a discussion in another part of the forum.
Secondly, I think the officer approched the woman with an attitude, no matter if an officer is having a bad day, he should approach anyone with a harsh attitude, unless right of the bat, the suspect is being harsh, rude, or whatever attitude he or she might give. Also he was in all rights to taser her, for all he knew, the suspect could have well had a weapon on her, she did not follow the officers instructions, which in result got her tasered. I think the officer used a form of protocal, maybe not the best one but it worked.
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Posted: Mon Oct 9th, 2006 01:57 pm |
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This video is used by my department's Training Division as a teaching aid. My department does not employ the Taser as a "weapon" in our Use of Force Continuum however, the Use of Force level was escalated and it is worth discussing.
First, (and it is very easy to "Monday Morning Quarterback"), I would not have even approached the vehicle until the driver's door was shut. A passenger-side approach may have been more tactically safer as the officer had no real cover or concealment when he approached the vehicle. I think the officer was a little gruff in his initial approach and I feel he was verbally combative when he spoke to the driver. This was most evident when the officer told the driver to "go ahead and tell me my job". BUT!!!!.....to answer the question concerning the use of the Taser, I do believe it was justified and used appropriately. The officer advised the driver to step out of the vehicle, put the cigarette out, and put the cell phone down. The driver stated "no" and made it clear that she had no intentions of complying with the officer's directions. The officer was clear as to what he wanted the driver to do and what his actions were going to be if driver did not comply. Once the driver was "tazed", the officer clearly vebalized or directed the driver to lay down on her stomach and put her hands behind her back. Once again, the driver would not comply and she was "tased" again. Once the driver stated she couldn't put her hands behind her back, the assisting officer did help her and then proceded to cuff her. There was no abuse or brutality in this arrest and I firmly believe my department would consider this to be a "justified" escalation of the Use of Force Continuum.
I wish to add that I believe the driver was much more dramatic than was needed but for those of you who have not been "tazed" before, it definitely is an uncomfortable experience and it does hurt and you can not fully say how one might react to the jolt of electricity hitting you.
Last edited on Wed May 30th, 2007 10:51 pm by FMPDsgt3002
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tmeyer/moorpark
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Posted: Wed Jan 17th, 2007 02:58 am |
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| I just watched the video and of course "monday morning quarterbacking" definately comes to mind. I'll say this though, I worked a variety of assignments including motor cop. The officer failed to properly communicate with the driver. His attitude set the stage. The driver might have disagreed with the officer which obviously annoyed him. I think we often bring it upon ourselves at times.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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I too have worked a variety of assignments and have made tons of T-stops in my time. As Tommy Meyer said, the initial attitude sets the stage. Although people can treat law enforcement pretty poorly, we have to remember we are under more scrutiny that the violator. I am surprised the officer used the gruff communication with this violator when he is being video-taped. Not to say if you're not on tape you can act like an idiot, but come on..... this officer lacked some professionalism.
I may have missed it, but I don't recall the Officer saying anything to the violator about her license status prior to deploying the taser. He just told her get out of the car. He never stated she was under arrest until after she was cuffed. Again, with proper communication, he could have had her out of the car without a use of force.
However, had he stated, . "Your license is suspended, you are now under arrest. Step out of the car." and she refused to comply... a complete different story. At that point, a taser is a very low amount of force to make the arrest and may be appropriate for this type of violator. It is certainly better than physically dragging her out of the car and tossing her to the ground.
As far as the violator's verbal whining to the taser, I don't put much weight in that. My daughter whines over a hang nail or burnt toast. Everyone reacts differently to different stressors on the body. I have seen people act like that when the opposing team scores a touchdown. No big deal.
This could have been handled differently with the same result. A t-stop and arrest. I don't a jury of 12 would rule in favor of this officer based on the information available in this video.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19th, 2007 09:00 pm |
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| Excellent thought Joe, I thought I missed it about the "suspended license" issue so I didn't address it.
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