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cjustice
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 01:08 pm |
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Do you know the standard for alling a stop? One officer I ride with does location plate, the other one does plate-location. Both have advantages, but what is the standard or is it just personal preference.
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Okay, stretch my memory
"3a55, code six vermont and 24th, 1ASS123, green ford van."
Yea, location first, then plate....location is most important...if something goes sideways they have to be able to find you. So, location - plate, and then description...that way, if the plate comes back to a chev, or it is cold plated and you get in trouble they can look for it....saved a lot of guys lives over the years.
So, which is it...take the poll
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 02:07 pm |
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I agree. Location first, then plate. You always want your location annouced so that if something goes wrong and your in need of assistnace they will be able to get to you by knowing where you are.
I have heard some officers give the plate first, but thats normally before they pull the vehicle over for the traffic stop.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 03:43 pm |
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| While it is imperative to give your location, most T/S are effected while moving. I have found it a "Habit" giving plate, Locale, brief Veh/Subj(s) description. Most larger Depts have backup for a Traffic Stop. Smaller ones you have to depend on Dispatch and info given in a short time. I would agree that Locale is most important in a large city or rural area, but much smaller Cities, the Officers use plate first..I think its the Officers call..When initiating traffic I would state Traffic...Calif GFDXXX, 7th and Beale, Grey Ford, 2Subjs visible. Dispatch logs that and automaticially runs 28/29 on veh.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 06:17 pm |
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| Plate then location because the dispatch computer says so. Tactically it is safer to call in locaton then plate if the stop has been all ready been made.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 07:11 pm |
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| I agree..Thats the way Dispatch is st up..I know at the Academies it is drilled into ones head that locale is first and foremost beacause Officer Safety is a issue. AA..That was years ago.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 10:31 pm |
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I think it is whereever and whoever you work for. I would do location, plate, description here. Plate has 96% of the time already been run on the computer (MDT) and there is a record for the dispatcher in your unit history in case something goes wrong.
I don't believe it is a written item in our plans for the exact procedure. Just that the information is given, if the officer has the time.
Don
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Posted: Sun Jul 23rd, 2006 11:26 pm |
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I work for the state patrol in my state and I am a Field Training Officer. We were taught to do location, description, plate. Honestly, each situation is totally different. There is not such thing as a routine traffic stop. The only routine is that you turn you emergency lights on....period. As a FTO, I tell my cadets (that's what we call them) to choose which one they feel most comfortable with using.
I'm not sure what other agencies use or prefer. True, officer safety is first and foremost. With our agency, each patrol car has a video camera. So, worst case scenario, if things go bad and you give your location first, the camera should have the vehicle description and plate visible. I can tell you from experience that it's happened to me and the only thing I could give out was my location and that's it !! Help arrived but I had to "tend to business" and couldn't use my portable radio at the time. Needless to say, every stop I do I give my location first....
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Posted: Mon Jul 24th, 2006 04:03 pm |
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| In reference to which is more important, plate or location, i have found it very helpful, if time will allow, to go ahead and run the plate before you initiate your emergency equipment if you are having to wait to pull the vehicle over in a safe location, however my departments SOP states, location, tag, brief description of vehicle, occupants, but like a fellow officer said, nothing we do is routine, so what ever you feel comfortable doing
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Posted: Mon Jul 24th, 2006 08:00 pm |
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Years ago, I worked for an agency wher we always gave out the location first, then plate and finally the vehicle description. The reason for this was that if the stop went bad real quick, everyone knew exactly where you were.
Now I work for a Dept where we give the plate then the location. took some getting used to and the only reason they give is that the computer system (CAD) is set up to enter plate the location. If you do it backwards, dispatch has to tab back and the info gets entered slower.
I am partial to location then plate because no stop is ever routine ... that speeder could have just robbed the gas station and it hasn't been called in yet. and while you are hunkered down behid the fender returning fire, you don't have time to look around for a street sign.
cjustice wrote:
J: asked:
Do you know the standard for alling a stop? One officer I ride with does location plate, the other one does plate-location. Both have advantages, but what is the standard or is it just personal preference.
ReplY:
Okay, stretch my memory
"3a55, code six vermont and 24th, 1ASS123, green ford van."
Yea, location first, then plate....location is most important...if something goes sideways they have to be able to find you. So, location - plate, and then description...that way, if the plate comes back to a chev, or it is cold plated and you get in trouble they can look for it....saved a lot of guys lives over the years.
So, which is it...take the poll
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2006 04:00 am |
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One other thing that I forgot to mention. Take it for granted I can't speak for other areas of our great country, but, a plate is easily transfered from one vehicle to another. A location will always remain the same. Get my point?? Just say you give the plate first and that's the only thing you can give out. Then all heck breaks loose. The plate you gave belonged on another vehicle. Now, if you agency doesn't have or use cameras in your patrol cars, what do we look for, where do we send help, etc.....Trust me, I run plates all day long that come back to other vehicles....
Just another perspective on this topic.....
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2006 03:16 pm |
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Although I am not an officer, I would say location is crucial. If the suspect wants to flee or decides to take another action, with a simple "Officer need of assistance" or whatever code your city might use, you can quickly be located.
Which either ways, dont you usually run the plates before you iniciate the stop?? 
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2006 03:20 pm |
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Never mind lol I found my answer, I should have kept reading 
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Posted: Mon Oct 9th, 2006 02:11 pm |
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| It varies by department but I strongly advise my officers to give the plate first. In the time you could be conveying the location information, things could go wrong with the stop and you could be killed or critically injured where you can't give out information. At least by giving the tag information first, the information is out and can be put out by the dispatcher for other units to begin a search. The location is always a must but how is that going to help (theoretically speaking) your fellow officers in determining the vehicle's identity or description? Just something to think about. Last edited on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 02:16 pm by FMPDsgt3002
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 05:10 am |
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| I would tend to agree with you when it comes to location first however the agency that I am with Oxnard police department , does it the other way . They first advise dispatch their ten six traffic the plate number and then location . It seems pretty much every agency in this county does this way.
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