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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 03:07 am |
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| silent Chatter box !! Your response has some truth in it. if a man is in a cell he cannot directly harm anyone but there have been many criminals in history who have committed the most horrible crimes without them actually committing them. the smartest criminals are not those that commit the crimes but rather those that have a way with words and and manipulating others to commit the crimes for them. Charles Manson is a prime example of this. This is not a matter about someones feeling get hurt but rather limiting someones freedom. we have steered so far away from the concept of punishment, that prison to some seem like a joke. we as a society have agreed to follow certain laws to protect our rights, these individuals have chosen to violate them and they should be punished. society has spent much time teaching us not to be judge of others and tells us how we should accept other for who they are. I agree to an extent. we are all different and thanks to this difference our country is what it is; but we shouldn't completely dismay the idea of casting judgement. it is this notion, of non-judgement, that has created a society of low moral and the lack of ethic practice. to respond to your question of who can he bother with? We are not taking about someone who is in prison over a drug conviction, this is a man who has killed someone. the argument should not even be who can he hurt but rather his rights as a prisoner. i can't help to think about my spending power when i hear about all of the rights prisoners have. those are our tax payer dollars that are being thrown away. he wants entertainment, i will send him a book. We all work too hard to see our money go to waste and this individual is nothing but, waste. In response to your comment of us entertainment ourselves argue about this issue, it is this type of mentality that allows things like this to happen. ANY ISSUE THAT INVOVLES THE SPENDING OF MY TAX PAYER MONEY, IS AN ISSUE WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. !!!!!!!!! Last edited on Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 03:36 am by rosacrim112
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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 03:34 am |
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| this is in response to silentchatterbox, i admire you for saying what you believe. it takes a lot of courage to defend a killer. i respect that; yet i could not disagree with you more. so what if he is sorry. sorry can't buy that officer back. nothing can. i as well do not believe in the death penalty that is currently in place BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO LONG TO EXECUTE SOMEONE. if it was faster then i would like to be the first one on the side lines please. If we believe that nothing can be done then we have failed as a society. The law is the law and but i am so glad that we live in country where we have judicial review and we can create new laws. Nothing happens for a reason; WE find reason for things happening, completely different. it is interesting how in one of your comments you state how "may you entertain yourselves arguing over someone sitting in a cell," but as i look through this forum you have responded numerous times. It is Just too bad that he has had the time to create this my space account and that he execution isn't sooner maybe i will have times to write him an I'm sorry letter for his mistakes!!!!! or not!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 03:42 am |
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I agree that this issue has opened up the flood gates of debate, but if you look at the original question as it was originally posted. MySpace.com is a private enterprise. Membership and most all it's features are free. As far as Myspace taking down his profile or anyone's profile, I don't see them doing that as a moral or ethical issue, but rather as a business decision. Myspace, to stay in business does not have to answer to the general population when it comes to removing to keeping a profile up, they have to answer to their advertisers. It is the advertisers that keep Myspace in business. I think the taking down of the death row inmates profile was more of a business decision. A company advertising on Myspace is not going to want to be associated with people etc. that would make them (the company) look bad. So if you look at the issue as presented, Myspace can do whatever they want on their own site and as far as they are concerned if someone does not like it there is always that "X" button on the top right of the screen if you don't want to read it. Do I sound cold and uncaring? I probably do to most readers, but you have to take the question as it was asked and you may find it is not as controversial as it has become.
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Makoa322
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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 03:10 pm |
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rosacrim112 wrote: My space should not remove the inmates my space account. I am not a fan of my space and i certainly do not think that inmates should have access to the internet but i do not think that it is my space resiponsibility to monitor who joins their system. if anyone should be responsible, it is the government . The civil rights gives us certain rights that we are all entitled to but we give up these rights the moment we commit a crime. In my opinion inmates have too many rights and because of these rights they have access to things that many of us consider luxery. My space is not responsible for inmates joining their system. there should be legislation that restricts what an inmate can and can do.
To respond to the points made in the above posting:
1. Inmates generally do NOT have internet access. Halprin's page was apparently
posted/maintained by someone on the "outside."
2. The government should be responsible for monitoring who joins a private
website? Why should the government have that kind of control over a private
business? Does this mean that they should extend this discretionary power over
all businesses? How would you feel if you made some remarks that went against
the current Presidency and all of a sudden you couldn't go shopping at your local
Wal-Mart because the government felt like restricting your access? An extreme
example, I know, but analogous nonetheless. And one last question on this point;
if we were to have a government agency monitoring every website for its
membership content, how do you propose we pay for it? That's a monumental
task, to say the least!
3. Myspace is responsible for whoever joins their website but only to a certain
degree. Complete control over what is posted cannot be expected or required.
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crim112Silerrio
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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 05:04 pm |
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It just feels wrong for this man to have a myspace. But legally, he is allowed to have one. It is part of our right to freedom of speech, which is what myspace is. From an emotional stand point (just going with my gut feeling), I would like to see his page deleted. Its publicity for a convicted murder, a death row inmate. He doesn't deserve to have the same rights as upstanding citizens.
But from a legal stand point, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this man having a myspace page. He has the right to have one. He doesn't have access to a computer or the internet, which is relief! Someone outside the prison is updating it for him. So there is no way to control it. It is not comming from the inmate himself.
For these reasons I am torn. This issue definitely raises questions. Can we really ask to have this man's page deleated simply because we feel its bad? NO. We must look at it from a legal stand point, because that's what its all about here in the US, the law.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25th, 2006 05:14 am |
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Looking at this problem ethically, Yes i do believe that myspace should delete his web page.
But myspace is a cooperation that is only looking to get bigger and more sponsors. So they should not have to take his page off line. It is up to myspace's sponsors to decide on that. If they want to be affiliated with a cop killer than its up to them.
The government should step in this problem. If lawyers argue about freedom of speech than the government should ratify the constitution. They should pass some type of law empowering the government even more over their property ( convicted inmates).
P.S. I find this problem ironic. The government has the power to execute a human but not their myspace account.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25th, 2006 05:25 am |
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Silerrio. you make some great point. Like you I am also torn between the man's right to have a myspace. But legally there is not a law being broken.
But ethically we should not forget that someone is updating this man's myspace and is deliberately taunting the dead officer's family.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25th, 2006 10:45 am |
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crim112Garcia wrote: But ethically we should not forget that someone is updating this man's myspace and is deliberately taunting the dead officer's family.
Just a couple of thoughts:
I did briefly visit Halprin's profile a while ago and didn't find it to be "taunting." I'm not a Halprin fan but all I saw was a lot of claims of innocence and anti-capital pumishment rhetoric. If it has changed drastically since then, I apologize for my lack of information as the profile is now private and I have no plans to request to be Halprin's friend. However, I'm curious to find out what your definition of taunting is.
And lastly, now that the myspace profile in question is set to private, should it still be considered taunting? Given the fact that a person has to go through deliberate steps to view it, I really can't feel sorry for anyone who might be offended by Halprin and/or his profile but still purposely takes a look at it. It's as if someone told you not to stick your hand in a fire because you could get burned and you still put your hand in there. Do you now have the right to be upset for the pain you experienced?
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Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2006 05:24 pm |
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When I first read about this topic, I felt that there was nothing wrong with this inmate having a myspace page. I figure there are a lot more pedophiles, than inmates out there who are taking advantage of the myspace craze. Unfortunatly, it is a lot harder to pinpoint the pedophiles than inmates.
Apparently the inmate does not have internet access, but someone outside the prison is putting up the information. I heard that the information on his myspace has threatened the family of the officer. Even though I do not not agree with that portion of the myspace, I feel that there is nothing that myspace should do with the page.
There are a ton of people on myspace, and if the pages are monitored it will create an even bigger debate on what is ethical. I feel that the family should just try to rise above this myspace problem. I know it may be hard because of the taunting, but the killer is in prison, where he more than likely will not escape.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 04:20 am |
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| What i think about the guy on death row having a myspace account is that he shouldn't have one at all. In my opinion it's not so much an ethical issue as it is a rights issue. This man is on death row and has kiiled a guy and i beleive rights should be taken away when a person has committed such a serious crime such as killing a police officer. I think it could be a major problem and may cause a snowball effect if they have rights to myspace what's next vacation time away from prison ,,, although thats seems ridiculious it also seems that when a person kills a guy thier shoudl be consequences and things that are given up an dhaving a myspace account almost makes our sysytem seem too light and flexible, there are rights to due process, fair trial and all that good stuff but should have no rights for using a publically accessable account for the public to see.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 04:26 am |
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I aggre with you and from a legal standpoint they do have a right to freedom of speech but it's like where can we or should we draw the line... ???
And for those that my have him as a friend or something do they know he's on death row are they supporters of what he's done ,,,, i agree that it raises debate therefore it should be deleted on the myspace i know it has a policy of if theres anythings offending you can have them kiicked off and thats what should be done ...
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 05:39 am |
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At first when I looked at this, my first reaction was of frustration. How could someone on death row be so noticeable out in public. Myspace.com is probably the widest used community forum. After I took a minute to understand the situation, I don't think there is anything anyone can do about this guys page. Myspace certainly doesn't have the ethical responsibility to censor peoples pages as much as it seems not right. The Constitution is the base for most of the ethics and morals in society today.(not all because religion is up there) In this particular case, legally nothing can be done because it isn't the man himself controlling this page, it is someone outside. I believe it should be the moral and ethical responsibility of the person who's controlling the page and posting writings to stop. Having a convicted murderer being somewhat noticeable in the outside world and having access to means of expression is not right. You commit a crime and get convicted, all rights are stripped, including any means of communications (myspace). Like I said before, the person who is running this myspace page should look in the mirror and see how they're going against the grain of society by posting words of a convicted murderer. At the same time, if they will continue to have myspace pages and convey their lives, then I believe society should reject it and simply not view their pages. IF people don't like inmates having pages then don't look at them.
I wasn't able to view this man's page, it was put on private.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 05:45 am |
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| Trent, I agree with your reply to this topic. Myspace shouldn't be responsible for the monitoring of who joins myspace. Content on the page is one thing, but you can monitor the people joining. It is extremely tragic for the family to see this man's thought's and feelings on-line for the world to see, but the family should ignore it, and not get involved with the discussion, because ultimately they can't do anything about it legally. They could certainly bring attention to whats happening with myspace, and how easy it is to access and join no matter who you are and what kind of background you have. Also, I don't think the government should get involved because this is a private function, and government getting involved with censoring a private business would open up a lot of issues.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 07:55 pm |
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I do not feel the myspace account should be deleted. As mentioned by other members in this forum the inmate does not have access to the internet and most likely members of his family are responsible for posting information about him. I am curious if this debate would go differently if he killed someone other than a police officer.
Because Myspace is a private entity the government should not be allowed to intervene and demand the account be deleted. Based on the content that is being displayed on the page should be the determining factor of whether or not the account should be allowed. If the page falls within the rules Myspace has established then it should be accepted.
I find this a moral rather than an ethical issue. I do not believe Myspace is ethically wrong for permitting the inmates page. It is unfortunate the police officer lost her life but it is the families decision to consistently visit the Myspace page. If the family is outraged by this then the family should discontinue their visits to the page.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 08:03 pm |
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| As you mentioned this is a difficult and emotional debate. After reading the issue I found myself wondering if this debate is a moral rather than an ethical issue. Myspace has not broken any laws and neither has the family that consistently updates the Myspace page. Society views the government should not uphold the rights of inmates because they have comitted acts against society. Freedom of speech is a fundamental right. I do not have the opportunity to view the page, but based on my understanding the page consists of thoughts/feelings/arguments against the death penalty. If I were an inmate myself on death row I would take every advantage I could to depict my thoughts and emotions regarding the death penalty.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 09:44 pm |
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| I don't think that his myspace should be removed just for the fact that he is not hiding who he is. People have a choice to look at his page, and when i tried to go on it it was set to priviate. So if the prison allows him internet acces, and the prison dose not restrict him from going on myspace then he should be allowed to have one.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 10:19 pm |
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| I don't think he should be able to access a myspace account. He is a cold blooded killer who had his rights taken away from him. He is in prison for a horrible crime and his myspace may still allow him to get messages out that may lead to crimes. Some criminals even though in prison can still get out secret messages for other crimes to be committed. So when he killed the police officer he loss his rights of freedom and that includes having a myspace account. Myspace should not allow him to be on there because it sends a bad message. If he is allowed to be on there who else are you letting join rapists, murderers, child molestars, etc. You got to look at the ethics and realized what the right choice is and not give any attention to those who have done horrible crimes in society.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 01:32 am |
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Nowhere on Randy's page does it EVER threaten the slain officer's family. That is ridiculous. Randy is one of the most honest inmates I have seen on myspace. He admits to wrong doing, making bad choices that landed him where he is. None of the Texas Death Row inmates pages even mention their victims or victims families. I dont know where your getting your information from but its ABSOLUTELY false.
I hear alot of talk about how he lost all his rights when he went to prison. That is wrong. That is probably the way that alot of you would like it, but no matter what he has or hasnt done...he is still a human being and still deserves to be treated like one. I am a HUGE advocate for prisoner's rights and I believe all inmates should be treated the same as all other citizens. They have the right of free speech ( like it or not). I dont believe in the inmates being gassed with military issued chemicals, I dont believe in inmates not being able to use the library to research for their own cases. I dont believe they should be treated like animals and I definitely dont believe that the state has the right to terminate their life.
you all have the right to your own opinion, but my opinion is that if someone wants to run a webpage for their incarcerated loved ones and friends who are you to say wether its right or wrong. He has no internet access therefore HE is not the one on myspace. You cannot tell another citizen that they cant/shouldnt make a webpage for someone they care about. That is their decision.
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| Life on death row in Texas is like no other state. In that respect I do not see a problem with people on the outside having a Myspace page for him. He will most definately never see the light of day. Here is a link to the State of Texas "death row" site http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/deathrow.htm I am not defending him in any way shape or form, you may be surprised to know what I do for a living. It is 2006 there is a lot more technology available out there for people to make their opinions heard or to further their causes. If his friends on the outside did not take a Myspace page for him, they most certainly would have found some other outlet.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 05:38 am |
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| I believe that his myspace page definitely needs to be removed. Not only should inmates not be allowed to use the internet he should not be able to have a myspce page where people as young as 13 years old can become so called "friends" with this murderer. Although, I believe that his myspace page should definitely be deleted he does have every right to own one. It is a private website therefore blocking out those that should not be on there. Ethically looking at this situation it is wrong for him to have a myspace page. Most people are not going to find it morally right to kill a police officer and talk about it on a myspace page. Ethically the world is going to look down on this situation but morally it is up to Randy Halprin to be able to have his own private myspace page and say whatever he wants to.
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