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Sherri
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 03:10 pm | 41st Post |
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Randy's page is private. Therefore, not just anyone can look at his page. Randy does not have access to the internet, he doesnt even get to see his myspace page. How is it morally wrong for someone to make a page for a friend or loved one? I dont believe it is. I dont believe Randy was the one who killed the Police Officer anyway. Read all the evidence in his case. You all should know by now, just because a person has been convicted doesnt make them guilty. Our justice system is screwed up and as long as there are people out there defending what the states are doing its going to stay screwed up. Innocent men are dying for things they didnt do. There are victims on both sides. The victim/victims families and the family and friends of the incarcerated. Do you think its any easier on the Mothers whos babies are behind bars with execution dates over their heads. I imagine its not.
Besides, I said it once I'll say it again....If you dont agree with inmates having myspace pages....dont go to their pages. Its that simple.
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crim112Brehm
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 03:12 pm | 42nd Post |
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| I have to admit i have many mixed feelings. Though half of me says he shouldn't have he's myspace removed because though he is in jail he still does have rights. He is in jail and he isn't doing anything. The problem is the page is blocked and i can't see what is on it. So i can't say if the family is being revictiized or not. If something awful was on the page i can see where the family is coming from. But if he is using the page to connect with his own family and friends why should we stop it. In some ways i feel like he shouldn't have it because of the fact that people say he is in jail he can't hurt anyone that isn't true he is having connections to the outside world. To people who may idolize him or may want to help him further there are a lot of sick people. Myspace connects to people all over the world and obviously anyone can be on it. SO i have to say i'm in between he has rights but it's still somewhat dangerous.
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crim112Brehm
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 03:20 pm | 43rd Post |
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| I think that is a good point that no one has mentioned. Crim112marrissa mentioned that this man is on deathrow he had his rights taken away when he took away someones life. Why should we let him have these little things when he took someones life.
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Crim112Bates
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 03:59 pm | 44th Post |
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Makoa322 wrote: rosacrim112 wrote: My space should not remove the inmates my space account. I am not a fan of my space and i certainly do not think that inmates should have access to the internet but i do not think that it is my space resiponsibility to monitor who joins their system. if anyone should be responsible, it is the government . The civil rights gives us certain rights that we are all entitled to but we give up these rights the moment we commit a crime. In my opinion inmates have too many rights and because of these rights they have access to things that many of us consider luxery. My space is not responsible for inmates joining their system. there should be legislation that restricts what an inmate can and can do.
To respond to the points made in the above posting:
1. Inmates generally do NOT have internet access. Halprin's page was apparently
posted/maintained by someone on the "outside."
2. The government should be responsible for monitoring who joins a private
website? Why should the government have that kind of control over a private
business? Does this mean that they should extend this discretionary power over
all businesses? How would you feel if you made some remarks that went against
the current Presidency and all of a sudden you couldn't go shopping at your local
Wal-Mart because the government felt like restricting your access? An extreme
example, I know, but analogous nonetheless. And one last question on this point;
if we were to have a government agency monitoring every website for its
membership content, how do you propose we pay for it? That's a monumental
task, to say the least!
3. Myspace is responsible for whoever joins their website but only to a certain
degree. Complete control over what is posted cannot be expected or required.
I agree with Makoa 322 in this instance. I believe it would be wrong for an inmate to have a myspace account. However, if someone outside of the prison is creating a profile for him, how can the government stop this? Myspace controls for offensive content on the site, however the inmate's profile is private. No one has to view it if they do not want to.
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Crim112Bates
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 04:12 pm | 45th Post |
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I do not see how myspace has any control or right to delete this account. Although morally it may seem wrong for this inmate to have a myspace account, technically, it is not him that is controlling the profile, but someone outside. Although Halprin, as an offender, does not have the right to have a myspace page, who ever is running the profile does. Myspace has no control over this person and should not have the right to shut them down.
When you sign up for a myspace account,there are certain things that you agree to such as not using obsenity, nudity, etc. As long as Halprin's profile has none of this, I do not see that myspace legally has the right to shut down his page. I can understand the outrage of the victim's family and why they would feel that the page is wrong, however morality does not always equal legality.
Shutting down the profile would be infringing upon the rights of whoever is running it. Assumably, other than a lapse of judgement, they have broken no laws by doing so. The only recommendation I could make is just not to encourage Halprin by requesting to be his friend.
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Crim112Berry
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 06:56 pm | 46th Post |
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| I think they shouldn't delete his account. He is already serving his punishment for his actions. There is nothing wrong with him having a myspace account. If this guy was in jail for tax fraud would we be having this discussion right now? Yes I know he killed a police officer, but that doesn't mean that everything he does after that is unethical. What harm can come from him having a myspace account? He can't kill anyone over the net. Plus there is tons of stuff on myspace that is way worse than his page. I don't see us talking about deleting those profiles. All this guy is doing is giving us insight on prison life. He's talking about his life on his page. Maybe we should pay more attention studying what he is saying so that we can understand criminals better. Also there is a chance that his page can serve as a crime deterrent. All deleting it will do is start the slippery/slope and more prisoners will create one.
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Crim112Berry
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Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 07:14 pm | 47th Post |
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I agree myspace shouldn't remove his account. His account was probably made by a family member or a friend outside of prison. If they delete his account I think someone will just make him a new one. I don't think the government should be responsible for monitoring myspace though. If anyone should monitor myspace it should be the site itself. But their to busy trying to make money. I think our government has bigger problems at hand than an inmate having a myspace account. Legislation does restrict what an inmate can't do and can do. It's called jail. They have to stay there until their sentence is over. And judging from his sentence his life is going to have restrictions until he is dead.
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Crim.112Guardado
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Posted: Wed Nov 29th, 2006 07:56 pm | 48th Post |
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| How are you going to say that Randy is a good guy and is honest man. Unless you know him personally all you would know him is by his myspace. Which someone close is doing for him and is going to put up things saying he is sorry for what he has done. He is a killer and he may or may not be sorry for what he done you can't judge him by his myspace. I don't believe that prisoners should have the same rights as citizens because the free citizens aren't criminals. They aren't locked up and they could go out and live normal lives and aren't out there committing crimes. I don't believe that prisoners should be treated like animals or nothing like that but what the prisons allow them to do at this point is more than fair. I respect your opinion but I just wanted to tell you my opinion.
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Sherri
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Posted: Wed Nov 29th, 2006 09:56 pm | 49th Post |
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Free Citizens are not criminals, but none of us are without sin. All of us at one time or another have done something that we could have been in trouble for. The only difference is...we were not caught. Nobody in this world is perfect. I believe in second chances. I dont believe that the mistakes he has made in life make him a monster. I dont believe he should be treated like one. Do you really know what goes on behind prison walls? Expecially a Death Row house? It is disgusting the way these men are treated. Some people say "let the punishment fit the crime"...I think thats crap.
Do you realize that alot of the men on Texas Death Row havent killed anyone? They are there because it is a law in Texas "Law of Parties" that can charge you with a capital offense just for being present at the time a crime is committed. Is that fair to you? Is that just? I dont think so.
I encourage all of you to take the time to research these things before you form an opinion.
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Crim.112Guardado
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Posted: Wed Nov 29th, 2006 10:32 pm | 50th Post |
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| I am not saying not the free citizens are perfect because everybody has sinned but hasn't got caught and that is the nature of this world. I do believe in giving people second chances but not if we have killed a police officer or anybody in that case. I don't think he is a monster but doesn't deserve to be free for the rest of his life. Unless you think he is innocent then that is a different argument. I am not talking about everybody on Texas death row because I don't know there cases to an extent, but I do actually do research and do know things that go on behind prison walls it is not only in Texas. What do you expect is going to happen when they know they are in for life or on death row. There are going to be some disgusting things happening and until there is a way to stop it is going to be continuing.
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112Ayon
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 01:34 am | 51st Post |
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| My opinion on this matter may be much like most people. I dont see why having a myspace account makes things any worse than what they already are. I think that My space should not be too concerned with the ethics in this because it is not a matter that could change what has happened. Much like any other internet business, My space is going to have its good and bad. Sometimes with the creation of a cool site like Myspace, you in advertantly create problems like this. Quite frankly I dont see how one case like this should gather so much attention. I agree with the fact that death row inmates should have all privaleges taken and they do. What can be done if this guy is not even able to logon and see his posts. In my opinion this is not even an issue to be concerned about. My condolences to the family of Mr. Hawkins.
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112Ayon
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 01:41 am | 52nd Post |
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| I aggree with you in that I also think the government has no business monitoring this type of thing. I think its simply not there responsibility. I am not too concerned about this issue because I dont think its something that threatens anyone in any way. The only ones that I think should be concerned are the people of myspace because things like this put dents on their record. Very well said!!
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SAMW
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 05:27 pm | 53rd Post |
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Again I truly believe we are all adults here and know what the word murder means, whether or not that person was a peace officer or shouldn't matter. He was a HUMAN period.
One question that I would like to ask is if this were your family member and the person was on DEATH ROW, what would you want that person to be able to have and do???
THINK ABOUT THAT!
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Christopher
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 05:34 pm | 54th Post |
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SAMW wrote: Again I truly believe we are all adults here and know what the word murder means, whether or not that person was a peace officer or shouldn't matter. He was a HUMAN period.
One question that I would like to ask is if this were your family member and the person was on DEATH ROW, what would you want that person to be able to have and do???
THINK ABOUT THAT!
An excellent thought, I guess you really would not know for sure until it happened to you. There is an old saying where I work, treat the public like you would like your family treated if they had done the same thing.
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Crim112 Martinez
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 06:13 pm | 55th Post |
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| I believe that the ethical issues is based on what we think and what is legally right. From my perspective i feel that it is up to the people to decide whether or not to see this page. I feel that the page should not be deleated because he is not personally creating his account. Myspace i feel has almost no resposibility, and has almost no way to control whats on their website. I feel that personal feelings should not be mixed with what is legally right. Besides the person cannot longer cause harm.
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Crim112 Martinez
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 06:19 pm | 56th Post |
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| I agree there is two sides to look at the personal feeling and the legal aspect. I agree that there is nothing wrong legally yet i understand the victims family.
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112Lopez
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 10:38 pm | 57th Post |
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When I first heard that an inmate on death row has a myspace account, I was like what? Are the people running the correctional system stupid? At first I was opposed to any inmates or espcially an inmate on death row having any outside contact with the general public. But then I realized why was I so quick to shut this idea out, and ask why not? For instances, this man is on death row! He is either going to die in death row or he is going to die through execution. He not going anywhere. I understand that this man killed an officer, to be in the situtation he is currently in but I see no reason why this man can not have an ounce of freedom. He to as a person has human rights and inmate rights. I am sure the CO's monitor his myspace and makes sure he is not doing anything illegal or potensially dangerous. As far as the people incharge of the myspace network, I do not feel they have moral or ethical obligation in controlling people's myspace accounts. Myspace is intended to network with friends, family, etc. There are far to many or injustices and problems within the U.S. and people shouldn't get so caught up in this superfical stuff.
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112Lopez
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 10:49 pm | 58th Post |
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| 112Brehm I can relate, I too have mixed feeling about this inmate having a myspace account. But then I made the decision to allow this inmate to have this myspace account. My reason being is kind of straignt forward, this although this guy is locked up I still feel he has human rights, they may not extend toward the internet, but why not give him a little sense freedom outside those prison walls. This inmated will never have human contact outside of the prison pop. and CO's. This man will die on death row or he will die by execution, either way he his going to die a prisoner so I don't see what the big deal is. What do u think?
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Crim112Scarbery
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 11:00 pm | 59th Post |
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Brehm makes a good point about having mixed feelings about this myspace situation. I was in the same situation. At first I thought it was wrong for this inmate to have a myspace page, but after digging deeper into the subject matter, I felt differently. This a difficult topic to discuss, and I believe more could be answered if we were able to view his page and the content on it.
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CRIM112VANG
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 05:40 am | 60th Post |
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I think that it is ok for anyone to have a My Space, but, if what he or she has on his or her page is very inappropriate, then that is another story. Randy is not talking about how he killed Hawkins or describes in gruesome details what was going through his mind at the time. He doesn't threaten the Hawkins family or say bad things about them. Randy is just like us who talks about his daily life, what he likes, dislikes, and uses My Space as a form of communication. However, though he himself can't see the comments or messages, his friends or family gives him that information. Though he did something that goes against our morals and ethics, it doesn't mean that he is not human. Because he murdered Aubrey Hawkins, the family is upset and believes that it is unethical for My Space to have allowed him to obtain a page. Randy is not the only criminal that My Space has, there are millions of people out there that has a My Space who are considered or are bad people, but that doesn't mean that they don't have the right to have a My Space page. If Randy was ranting and raving on his killing, then My Space does have an ethical duty to get rid of his page, but as for what I have seen and heard so far, Randy has every right to have a My Space page.
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