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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 05:11 pm |
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Randy Halprin is on death row for the murder of Police Officer Aubrey Hawkins. Halprin has a myspace page where he, like millions of other people, talks about his daily life, his likes, dislikes, favorites, etc. In a recent new story, the mother of the slain officer was reported to have said, "To me, if (Myspace.com) had any sort of ethics whatsoever, they wouldn't want that sort of thing on their Web site," Hawkins said (http://www.nbc5i.com/news/10315819/detail.html).
Look at Halprin’s page at http://www.myspace.com/randyhalprin and the associated news story at http://www.nbc5i.com/news/10315819/detail.html. What are the ethical and morale issues involved? Does Myspace have any ethical duties? Note, before you bring up the Constitution, it only guarantees that the government will not suppress our Rights; private individuals and firms have no such Constitutional duties. On the other hand, the Constitution does represent our high-water mark on our societal morals as they relate to freedom of speech, etc.
If you are one of the students from CRIM 112, an ethics student, you must post, respond to at least one post AND take the poll. If you are an interested forum participant feel free to mix it up with the students and take the poll. You input would be valuable, also.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 05:54 pm |
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Yes, I think Myspace should remove Randy Halprin’s Myspace page. I think that if they are allowing this type of person to have a myspace page then only god knows who else they are allowing to have a page (convicted rapists, convicted child predators, etc).
I think that Myspace doesn’t have any ethical duties because Ethics is when you choose what is right or wrong to you. If they feel that this is a choice that won't impact them negatively in the future then so be it..
But on a blog that I did I talked about how the media gets a hold of peoples myspace pages (and uses them on CNN etc) and when that happens Myspace automatically takes the page down or makes it private. (I don't know if they do it by choice or if they are told to shut the page down).
If Myspace feels that they should take a page down when they are getting negative attention, maybe they should eliminate the problem (with sex offenders, murderers, etc) before another crime is committed or people find out about who they are letting “hang” with their children.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 07:51 pm |
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what gives any of you the right to judge who can have a myspace account?? his profile states he is in prison, he can obviously not hurt anyone! are you afraid hes going to hurt someones feelings?? cuz thats about all the guy has left. im not saying what he did is right, for what he did is horrible by all means. just becuse we passed a torture bill should not mean we have to torture our own kind. if his profile bothers you simply control your urge to click on his page... its very simple....
but i cannot control my urge to ask this ... who can he possibly bother staring at words on a computer screen??? and if you want my honesty if he gets to meet someone. what a safer way, than to have cops sitting with you holding guns!!! may you entertain yourselvs arguing over someone sitting in a cell, i bet he loves the attention you all shall give him...
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 09:33 pm |
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A brief follow-up. A few hours after posting the initial question, myspace seems to have deleted the account. However, the question remains....and indeed, is more salient....Should they have?
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PS - Channel your strong passions into useful discussions. If you read back you work and it sounds like you were screeching, well no one is listening.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 09:44 pm |
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no he should not have been deleted,
this is not about the crime he has comitted but according to Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
myspace violated his right to shut up a woman lacking self control....
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 01:51 am |
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He has no right to use Myspace to lobby against his own death penalty. What harm can he do? What harm has he already done. Used drugs, beat a baby but did not kill it...and then took part and was convicted for murdering a police officer in cold blood. That same police officer would have risked his life to save yours anyday...Any man or woman in blue would do the same. The fact that someone sitting in prison can have access to Myspace, is a slap in the face to the family of the slain officer, to the slain officer himself and to every man or woman in blue; and that doesn't even begin to list the offense to society and to every decent public citizen who would assist and honor any person in blue for the job they do and the life they risk to protect yours and ours. It's just as simple as that. No. I'm not a cop with a gun but when I'm in trouble, they will be the firat one I'll think of and the first one I will call.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 02:50 am |
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| As much as I despise convicted peace officer killers, I do not see a problem with him having a Myspace account. If the prison is allowing him internet access, they can surely limit the websites he can visit. If he has a Myspace account and he is not violating their terms of service I see it as anyone else having an account. I did not get a chance to see his site while it was still up, my government employer blocks us from using Myspace, but anyone who uses the site knows you can put up anything you want as long as you don't break their rules. There is no way to verify if the information on page is correct since the user can put any information they want to on there, whether it is true or not.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 09:47 pm |
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http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=82313650&blogID=194833676&MyToken=979ce301-59ec-4076-800c-3e53f6fe26ed
you can get to his profile through my myspace blog. it will not post correctly here..
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 10:03 pm |
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i would also like to add, i am not here defending what he did. what he did was horrible. and i do not believe in the death penality. but it is the law so i leave it alone, and yes im sure she does cry. i would as well, but the last thing i would do is sit and make him watch me from beyond acting like a fool. i would not want him to know that i am a horrible raging person that i was not before he died. whats done is done. nothing more can be done than what already has. i am a firm believer that everything happens for a reason no matter how minute or horrible it may seem. one should gather pieces and smile for what one has, not what one does not..
and on another note.. he is about to die do you not see that? he is making up for what he did. and do you have no idea what emotional changes a person goes through when they know, and wait for their death. so what if he acted like a person on myspace? what he did does not justify her raging about a myspace page?
i have no idea who this person is, i do know what he did, and i think he is getting his punnishment. so yes, yes, yes, i have the audacity to get on this site and argue on his behalf. Like the criminal, and animal i am!
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 10:04 pm |
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While Halprin's actions (or alleged actions) turn my stomach and my heart goes out to the family of Aubrey Hawkins, I must say that I think the account should've been left active.
One of the key values this country was founded on is freedom. This includes opinions and comments that contradict our own. Yes, Halprin was convicted of murdering a police officer but doesn't he still have the right to voice his belief in his own innocence? The Constitution guarantees the freedom of speech and while myspace is not necessarly a "public" venue, I contend that the spirit of the First Amendment should've prevailed here.
Keep in mind that I also work in law enforcement and again, my heart cries for Hawkins and every other slain peace officer and their respective families. However, every law enforcement officer also understands that along with the job comes the distinct possibility that you may have to protect someone or something that you would never dream of standing up for had destiny led you to another career. And there lies the paradox. It's not the message I'm advocating but the simple right to say it.
I've seen a lot of profiles on myspace. Some say things I agree with, some don't. But I don't see people jumping up and down to get those profiles deleted. There's a simple way to deal with a myspace profile on your computer monitor if you happen to dislike what you see. Look in the upper right hand corner of your screen and click on the little red box with the X in it. It works for me.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 10:57 pm |
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Heylooo
First post and what a one to start one eh!
I just wanna say that the Inmates do not have access to the internet them selves.. Friends and loved ones do the pages for them...
Do i think his page should of been deleted..
Nope not in a million years.. at least we know who he is.. he's open, honest about who he is and where he is... i am SURE there are people on Myspace who are not who they say they are.. surely they are a bigger danger... they are in the free world and lying to us about who or what they are...
Somebody like that scares me a lot more.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 11:56 pm |
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| I do not think Randy Halprin's myspace page should have been deleted. He has the right to free speech. He is not disguising who he is. He is upfront about everything. He has ALOT of supporters (including myself). I dont agree with the things he has done in his life, but ALL human life is precious regardless of how you have choosen to live it. I do not believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. You cant justify a murder with a murder. That is my own belief. I feel that all the inmates that have pages on myspace deserve to be there just as much as the rest of us. If you dont like it, dont go to their pages. It really is that simple.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 12:37 am |
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I don't handle stupidity very well, so I will say my last peace and move on. There is a biblical saying that I am certain all of you have heard, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." The TRUE interpretation means that if you have taken out someones eye, you must take responsibility for your actions and give that person your eye. Also note: It is RELIGIOUS LAW to Kill someone who has taken the life of another human being.
In some countries, there is no drawn out court of law, the subject is quickly taken from a reputable court, to the square, head cut off and it's a done deal.
All these criminals are remorseful for what they have done, release these guys back into society and your child will be their next victim. Then let me hear that you are not for the death penalty. I don't believe for one second that any rational, mentally sane, thinking person, could ever say "I forgive you for killing my child." Justice must be served and it was served when this murderer's myspace account was taken down. Now all we need to do is find a way to speed up the process for his execution!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 12:52 am |
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A few notes:
Boy, the students haven't even checked and the emotions are running high. I deleted one response that had denegrated to name calling. Really, what separates us from Halprin is reflection, deliberation and then action; something he did not give his victim. We, as Thomas Jefferson noted, should simply agree to disagree.
The students are expected to comment using legal and ethical theories, that is the point of their class. But, this forum is also a way for you, the non-student, to debate, question and shape the abilities and thoughts of the future. As an example, I would expect a student to jump in and comment on the LaDeeSarah's post regarding retribution. As has been discussed in class, retribution is a large part of the death penalty; but the question remains - is retribution, as a system outcome, supported by any criminological, legal or ethicals theories. Furthermore, what morals does retribution encourage or support? While the primary issue is a death row inmate having a myspace account (or more correctly a myspace account about a deathrow inmate), discusions about the death penalty, in general are encouraged.
Okay, so when someone defends someones right to say something you don't like, confusing the persons defense of the right to speak, with supporting what was said is an argument that goes no where...you might as well shout "so's your oldman."
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 02:09 am |
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| No I do not think Randys families and friends should take his myspace page down, and nor should anyone else have to, i mean think of the peodeophiles that now use the internet, they even have their own signs or something to make others realise who they are, yep now those type of pages should be taken down, as they are purely on here somewhere to lure kids. INMATES HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE INTERNET. it is purely family and friends of the inmates that put their pages up on myspace for them, i think its discusting what myspace has done, no one is hurting anyone by having their pages up. Fox news said, but where does it say about the victims, Why should it say about the victims, then they would cause havoc because the victims were named. Some inmates ahave legal cases going on at the moment, and having victims names up on their page would also be wrong as people would assume yes yes they did it, when y'all damn well know that sometimes this is not the case. It is down to the individual person who is running the page who makes the page if they want to have the victims names up, its not the inmates fault, i think its wrong of them to have taken down Randys page. You may think that inmates dont have a right. But its the right of the inmates families and friends if they want to do a myspace for their loved ones.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 02:19 am |
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Im very sorry that "Lady" feels my comments were made out of stupidity...Everyone has an opinion and not everyone is going to agree with your point of view. FYI, there are plenty of people out there who's loved ones have been murdered that dont believe in the death penalty. There are plenty of people out there who's loved ones were murdered and they have forgiven the murderer.
There is a big difference in supporting an inmate and supporting what they have done.
I dont agree with your comments but im not going to tell you that your comments were made out of ignorance and stupidity because you are entitled to your opinion. I respect that.
I do however encourage you to take the time to do some research. Not all men on death row are guilty of the crimes for which they have been convicted. 123 people have been exonerated from death row after DNA or other evidence in their defense has come to light.
As far as "speeding up the executions"..I will not comment on that because I have just joined this forum and would like to be able to continue to have CIVILIZED conversations with people about things that interest me. There always has to be one in the bunch who wants to make hostile comments because someone doesnt agree with them...very sad....
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 02:22 am |
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| Just a bit of follow up. Unless I missed something his account could have been deleted by the people that created the Myspace account and not Myspace themselves. Also I went back to the original post from the administrator and the link is active again. The profile is now "private" as is mine. You need to be a friend of the person in order to read their profile.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 02:26 am |
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| The WebMaster of his myspace said that Myspace deleted his profile and they were not sure why. Myspace has not sent them a response yet.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 01:56 pm |
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""is retribution, as a system outcome, supported by any criminological, legal or ethicals theories?""
i am not a student, but i would love to comment.. i believe in retribution, if i had killed somone then my life should be taken in return. i do not believe in the death penality due to its flaws. many innocent are killed. its a very touchy subject for legal and ethics can be very counterdictive. one made a law, everyone has ethics. so who is to say? is the person facing death facing retribution? or is he facing a law simply created by another based on an ethical belief?
"" Furthermore, what morals does retribution encourage or support? ""
i believe this would depend on the situation, in a case of murder, *states that support the death penalty* one should be prepared to face the outcome of their choices knowing death is a definite outcome. so concious judgement is a moral not used, so how is that retribution when one did not care? i would have hoped that the knowledge of the death penality would encourage others to behave in a more rational manner. but as you can see here many have died for ethical beliefs.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=1666 this is just for 2006.
these are upcoming... http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=190
""Okay, so when someone defends someones right to say something you don't like, confusing the persons defense of the right to speak, with supporting what was said is an argument that goes no where...you might as well shout "so's your oldman.""
i like this comment cjustice. i actually had an arguement with a close friend on this myspace matter. we agree on nothing. but we did agree to disagree and remain friends.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23rd, 2006 02:11 am |
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My space should not remove the inmates my space account. I am not a fan of my space and i certainly do not think that inmates should have access to the internet but i do not think that it is my space resiponsibility to monitor who joins their system. if anyone should be responsible, it is the government . The civil rights gives us certain rights that we are all entitled to but we give up these rights the moment we commit a crime. In my opinion inmates have too many rights and because of these rights they have access to things that many of us consider luxery. My space is not responsible for inmates joining their system. there should be legislation that restricts what an inmate can and can do.
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