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mconnortwintowers410
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 07:55 pm | 41st Post |
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| Well said. It is like the Ten Commandments or the Holy Bible. The Law Enforcement Code of Ethics is part of our bible or part our guide. It all falls on choice. You can choose to embrace ethics or take your chances and choose not to. The consequences fall on you.
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mconnortwintowers410
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Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 08:01 pm | 42nd Post |
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| In Response to 16th Post. Well said. It is like the Ten Commandments or the Holy Bible. The Law Enforcement Code of Ethics is part of our bible or part our guide. It all falls on choice. You can choose to embrace ethics or take your chances and choose not to. The consequences fall on you.
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a.montalvo twintowers410
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 07:43 am | 43rd Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
I think Department guidelines on ethical conduct should be follow by a peace officer on and off duty. Peace officers are held to a higher standard and are viewed by the public as law bidding, and trust worthy individuals.
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a.montalvo twintowers410
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 07:49 am | 44th Post |
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I agree with you, however, some people don't have good role models in their lives to teach them about what good ethical conduct is.
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tcullenunion
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 08:36 am | 45th Post |
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Do Codes of Ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
When reading the Code of Ethics, it does tell the officer how he or she should live their life. In practice though, very few people can recall exactly what it says and apply it to the present situation. However, it should often be reread by officers as a way to keep them in check.
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tabdallaarcadia410
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 09:13 am | 46th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
I look at the code of ethics as guiding principles that signify what is important to the profession as a whole. Although they don't specifically tell someone what to do or not to do, they do provide a general framework for expectations and accepted behavior within the law enforcement profession. Policies and procedures build upon the ethics framework and provide more detailed guidelines as to what to do or not to do. Just my $.02...
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tabdallaarcadia410
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 09:42 am | 47th Post |
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ktaliankounion wrote: ...It's all about ACCOUNTABILITY. If it isn't written down, it is open to individual interpretation. In our business, that is dangerous practice. So yes, in a way, Codes of Ethics tell us what the rules are, in black and white.
I think you hit the nail on the head! It seems the general dilemma now is how general or detailed do you get (i.e. values-based policing vs. detailed policies/procedures)?
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dbell410brea
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 02:30 pm | 48th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
I think ethics are a simple guideline to doing what is right and wrong. However, I believe that depending on the situation the appropriate action is not always black and white. Everyone knows a little "white" lie that brings a smile is better than the truth that brings a frown.
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jhardin410brea
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 05:36 pm | 49th Post |
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| That is true, some people do not have good role models to teach them right from wrong. but i believe that person in today's society is exposed enough to both sides of the coin (right from wrong) and it is up to them to make the right choice. For example there were several people that i knew growing up and they had nice parents who were hard workers. These friends never got into any major trouble in school, however as soon as we graduated high school, several of them went to prison for violent crimes. I know these people were exposed to good ethics, but they had made some bad choices.
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dbell410brea
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 11:41 pm | 50th Post |
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RE: post 35
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I am the father of two small children and I am constantly amazed with what they believe, in their own minds, is correct behavior. I am constantly molding and shaping them into the morally/ethically correct people I think they should be. I guess the utimate question is: Am I right?
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dlau_twintowers410
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 12:55 am | 51st Post |
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dbell410brea wrote: RE: post 35
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I am the father of two small children and I am constantly amazed with what they believe, in their own minds, is correct behavior. I am constantly molding and shaping them into the morally/ethically correct people I think they should be. I guess the utimate question is: Am I right?
This is the legacy you will someday leave behind. Mine are 22 and 26 - not so small anymore. I am very impressed with my young men. They each made a plan for their life and executed it.
We used to play a game at Sunday dinners called “decision and consequence” where each one would tell the story about the stupidest decision they saw someone make and what the unfortunate consequences were. The best story got a prize.
Never give up. Never surrender. Tend to your garden.
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tcullenunion
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 01:53 am | 52nd Post |
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I think DLau's weekly discussions of "decision and consequence" are what need to occur both at home with kids and with coworkers during a quiet shift. There are plenty of examples of what went ethically wrong, failing to discuss ethical dillemas does little to prevent your kids or coworkers from making similar decisions.
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dbarr410brea
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Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 12:15 am | 53rd Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
Your ethics are influenced by your values, principals and morals. The Law Enforcement Code of ethics is the standard that we agree to live up to because we wear the badge. As the last paragraph states,
"I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals.
This illustrates to me that the bar is raised very high, as it should be, and as law enforcement professionals we need to tirelessly work towards grabbing the high bar.
So in a nut shell, the LECOE is a guide, a checklist so to speak to help us with our dicision making.
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rosartwintowers410
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 11:15 pm | 54th Post |
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Dennis,
Thanks for reminding us that the code of ethics is such a strong and valuable document for us that we should read it daily and think about how we all have maybe forgotten on occasions that this is the document we should live by.
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rosartwintowers410
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 11:25 pm | 55th Post |
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Do code of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
I think that the code of ethics is something that was instilled in us as children and of course how we ultimately chose to apply them and embrace them as well as how each of us interprets them. Ethics is a major part of our lives incorporated with our careers.
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dbarr410brea
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Posted: Sun Mar 29th, 2009 03:22 am | 56th Post |
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I can tell you this much. At the Golden West College Criminal Justice Training Center our recruits recite the LECOE an average of once per day. We also make it a point to bring attention to the learning points we encounter every day and how they relate back to the code of ethics.
People will make innocent mistakes, some will make intentional ones, but no person leaving our academy will be able to deny having been provided the rules and the tools to be successful.
It will ultimately fall on the individual to be held to answer with the stakeholders.
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afreemanunion
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Posted: Sun Mar 29th, 2009 04:53 am | 57th Post |
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I used to think the same way; that ethics could not be taught. You either have them or you don't. Then I took the ethics class here at UI&I. I know that sounds kind of cheesy, but after taking the class I realized that there are some things about ethics that you can teach. It is true that the way you are raised the morals that you were taught have a big impact on your ethical decisions in life. But we are all human and even someone who is raised with the highest of morals and ethics, can fall into the black hole of law enforcement. We are given a great deal of power in law enforcement and no one knows how anyone will handle that until they are put in that situation. Look at the news on a daily basis. Cops everywhere are getting arrested or are being investigated. Seasoned officers who for what ever reason, be it financial problems or what, have slipped down the slippery slope and have taken other innocent officers with them. So ethics is something that you bring with you, but educating yourself further with ethics training can help you recognize unethical behavior and keep you from falling down with the others.
Amy
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mfraijoTT410
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 02:04 am | 58th Post |
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Do code of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
In a sense they kind of do. They are more like guide lines. I believe ethics deals more with character. This character is formed throughout your life, you know what is right from wrong, and it is up to you to do the right thing.
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mfraijoTT410
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 02:14 am | 59th Post |
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| In response to post 45, I agree that we should take the time and look over our code of ethics now and then to become more fimiliar with them. In order to apply them, we must know exactly what they are.
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JDOBBS410BREA
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Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2009 01:15 pm | 60th Post |
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| No a code of ethics is only a guidline, it is up to use the ethical values instilled in us to do the right thing. As a police officer I hope that the ethical values in us are greater than the average person. The whole principle of this job is to keep the average person doing the right thing and nothing less should be asked of us
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