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JDOBBS410BREA
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Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2009 12:17 pm | 61st Post |
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| I also agree with you, that our ethics were instilled in us as children and that our parents have a great role in the people we became
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WWMCBrea410
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 04:38 am | 62nd Post |
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dlau_twintowers410 wrote: storres410brea wrote: I also agree with you that one is either born with good ethics or not. The code of ethics are a subject that cannot be taught.
I disagree.
I don't think a baby is born with ethics.
Newborns only have a natural fear of loud noises and falling.  BILL
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D.DOMINGUEZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 12:31 am | 63rd Post |
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| Ethics has to be learned way before becoming a cop. It is something that it taught to us from parents family members, teachers and other influencial people. If one is not taught or exposed to ethics, what is right and wrong then then we have the making of a potential problem person. Society has standards and I believe it is very difficult to follow standards without ethics.
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MichelleArcadia410
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 05:12 pm | 64th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
No, the Code of Ethics is an honor we have chosen to live up to. Sometimes it is a necessary reminder for those who become too comfortable with the incredible amount of power we have as police officers and may abuse that power for personal gain.
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MichelleArcadia410
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 05:17 pm | 65th Post |
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| I agree that ethics are learned behaviors. There should be a big difference between the ethics we teach our children and the ethics (or lack of) being taught to the children of gang members we arrest
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LTRIANABREA410
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:01 am | 66th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
Code of ethics is only a guideline, it does not dictate what we do or dont do. We decided to become Police Officers and with that comes a great responsibility to "do the right thing when no one else is watching." Police Officers come from different backgrounds and with that comes different values, but we know what is right and wrong. Because how else do we do our job, if we can't recognize what is right or wrong.
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LTRIANABREA410
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:21 am | 67th Post |
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| DDominguez, I agree with you that ethics are learned way before we become police officers. But a Code of Ethics are the way the department holds us responsible for what you do or don't. Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:22 am by LTRIANABREA410
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MichelleArcadia410
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:30 pm | 68th Post |
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| I think it's our policy manual that holds us responsible for what we do or don't do, for most of us fear of loss of pay or job keeps us from doing something we know is wrong.
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lalfaro410brea
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 07:00 pm | 69th Post |
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Yes the code of ethics is necessary to have in our profession. We are put in positions every day that requires us to make the ethical choice or decision. Without it our police force could become like the federalies down in TJ that bribe you every chance they get. The code of ethics is what guides us in the right direction. However, I do feel that we are just human beings who do make mistakes and the fact that we are judged for more harshly than the average joe is sometimes frustrating.
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tmeadows410Brea
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 08:44 pm | 70th Post |
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SteveS410Brea wrote: Rojas, do you feel that the Code of Ethics is not being drilled as much as it should be now? Watching and listing to some people conduct business, I wonder if they remember our oath....
Hi Steve,
I don't think that the Code of Ethics needs to be drilled into us more. Its most important aspect is that law enforcement agencies have accepted it as a generalized standard. To me the Code of Ethics is more symbolic that we should strive to hold ourselves to the higher standard--one that we can all be proud of.
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tmeadows410Brea
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Posted: Mon Apr 13th, 2009 08:50 pm | 71st Post |
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MichelleArcadia410 wrote: I think it's our policy manual that holds us responsible for what we do or don't do, for most of us fear of loss of pay or job keeps us from doing something we know is wrong.
I agree with you Michelle--the bottom line is that many of us follow the rules for the most part to ensure that we don't get a reduced paycheck or terminated.
But don't you think that many officers also really want to ascribe to strong ethical values because they know it is right, and they want to be strong and dedicated to society?
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jlumbreras410brea
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 03:09 am | 72nd Post |
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| I believe a code of ethics can be a guide line for individuals who are expected, due to their professions, to perform at a higher level of standards. Most other people hopefully conduct their lives with common sense and knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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glira410Brea
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:30 pm | 73rd Post |
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| Ethics is an area that raises a lot of questions. I strongly believe that these are qualities that are learned through life. Regardless if they are learned through strong parenting or the school of hard knocks. I don't believe you abide by a strong code because you are a police officer. I feel that you you should adhere to your sense of ethics because you are a human being. It's just to bad that society only seems to hold certain professionals to this standard.
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glira410Brea
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:38 pm | 74th Post |
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| If the only thing that keeps an officer honest is the possibility of losing his/her job or some pay is a shame. That is not a show of strong ethical values. It would lead one to believe that if you knew you wouldn't get caught you would commit the wrong.
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cfenner
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 03:00 am | 75th Post |
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| A code of ethics is necessary in law enforcement agencies because it gives officers a set of guidelines to operate within. If the department gives no guidelines for ethics officers may feel that the department does not care about their behavior.
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cfenner
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 03:01 am | 76th Post |
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| I agree, however, the policy manual covers more procedures than ethics.
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canoemtp
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 10:59 pm | 77th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
In my opinion, yes, code of ethics does tell us what to do and what not to do; however, it is up to the individual if they want to adhere to those ethics. An example of this is that everyone knows it is wrong to lie. When we have children, we bring them up with our values and ethics. Yet, are we not guilty of teaching them situational ethical decision making when we tell them to answer the phone and tell the caller that we are not home when indeed we are?
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canoemtp
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 11:05 pm | 78th Post |
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I definately must agree with you on your statement. It seems that everyone, including our leadership, forgets that we are humans and subject to the flaws of mankind. We will make mistakes and make bad decisions and I think the average officer can learn from those mistakes. Yet, why does it seem that harsh punishment is soon to follow and the only solution to the problem?
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dbuehlerunion
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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 12:12 am | 79th Post |
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Do codes of ethics simply tell us what and what not to do?
I think we need the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics to remind us why we became cops but realistically our morals and values were instilled in us long before we became cops.
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dbuehlerunion
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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 12:21 am | 80th Post |
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I definately must agree with you on your statement. It seems that everyone, including our leadership, forgets that we are humans and subject to the flaws of mankind. We will make mistakes and make bad decisions and I think the average officer can learn from those mistakes. Yet, why does it seem that harsh punishment is soon to follow and the only solution to the problem?
Hey Cano,
What do you mean by this? Sure the leaders know cops are human. We were there too! However when you made that oath at graduation or when you were sworn in by your department you made that pledge to your department and community. We as cops need to set the example.
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