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sirhc9999
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Posted: Thu Dec 7th, 2006 09:52 pm |
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| I agree with you rpoint of view on NBC. They are not putting this issue out there so that people will be more aware of what is happening to children online, theyare simply duing it for ratings. They need to show more concern for their children than their pocket books.
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rodriguez112
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 07:32 pm |
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| I agree with Berry. This is just a different way of catching all the online preditors out there. The pj dont have the power to arrest them, but that is when they give the information to the police and let them handle it. It's a team so to speak.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 07:32 pm |
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| I agree with Berry. This is just a different way of catching all the online preditors out there. The pj dont have the power to arrest them, but that is when they give the information to the police and let them handle it. It's a team so to speak.
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Kyle 35
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 09:36 pm |
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| This was a very interesting ethical topic but i find that it is an ethic problem people that go on the internet to talk to kids should be shot. there should be no tolerance for any type of conduct such as this. If a child predetor is caught one way or another he should be thrown into jail for life with out parol. i dont care if your own computer in your own house. it doesnt give you any right to look or talk to anyone child period. Especialy if you are try to meet them. If you feel different then Im sorry for you, because something must be seriously wrong with you.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 10:07 pm |
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I believe Pj's should be used and is ethical becuase we do need to get these preditors off the streets and if this is working then I should be a program that we use. I don't believe that in order to catch them that the people in pj should have to fall all the same constitutional and ethical
standards however there should be some standards that they have to fallow. I think that this program is working good and as long as everyone is fallowing the same standards and ethical standards then they should be allowed to continue doing there work.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 10:14 pm |
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1. I think it would be considered noble cause misconduct, and I feel like it would actually borderline entrapment if Law Enforcement used these tactics.
2. I don't think organized volunteer groups should fall under the same Constitutional and ethical standards as people in the Criminal Justice field. However, I feel like they should keep within the boundaries of the law. These organizations should act ethically, but holding them to the same standard of our Criminal Justice Field seems excessive.
3. I feel like any time there is involvement with Law Enforcement, i.e. if an arrest is made, then the standards for the organization for that particular case should be the same as the Law Enforcements Agencies, if not the case could be thrown out, and all of the efforts of everyone involve would have been wasted.
4. No, otherwise we would have chaos and would lead to anarchy. It would destroy our communities. Law is necessary, we have it to maintain order in all circumstances, it gives us guidelines and tells us what we can and cannot do.
5. I feel that their beliefs and morals are similar on trying to punish child predators. However, their ethics differ on the privacy of who they catch.
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Gelegan112
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Posted: Mon Dec 11th, 2006 10:17 pm |
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| I agree with mcelfresh112, and I feel like the majority of us in this world would agree that child predators should be punished. The laws that govern our Law Enforcement should apply to these organizations as well, to make sure when they catch these predators justice can be served. If we allow these organizations to run however they want to, then we can expect to see cases thrown out, and efforts wasted. Last edited on Mon Dec 11th, 2006 10:18 pm by Gelegan112
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Posted: Tue Dec 12th, 2006 11:37 am |
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 I think both sites had good points and reason from what I read to do what they do. I think the tactics that are used should not be considered noble misconduct. They are protecting the our children’s lives and innocence. It does kind of look like they are just on the prowl to catch people to arrest but, there is most likely a rules and do’s and don’ts manual to follow when performing these stings. Some people might argue that it is like setting a trap and reeling them in for the kill. Also, that these people might not even go through with their act so, it is wrong to reel them in. My opinion is that they should not put themselves in that position in the first place. They should not be on those sites and they should not be talking to anyone in those ways, let alone our kids. So, if they want to do it we should be able to take some action.
I do not think they should follow or be held under the same Constitutional Ethical Standards because, they are doing this for a good cause and it needs to be carried out in a different way then most situations. If it is working then, by ALL means!! The outcome is to protect the innocent and expose the predators and these two are or will do that. I think these two groups might and might not share the same value's, morals, and ethics, but they do have one goal in mind and it’s to stop this internet issue and they got to do what they got to do to get their message across. I think their values, ethics and morals are fine and that they should broadcast it more often so they can really get their message out there that they are not playing and not being soft on even the wannabes. I don’t think that certain types of crimes and criminals diminish the need for the rule of law. I think they are doing a good job and they need to keep it up. 
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Posted: Tue Dec 12th, 2006 11:48 am |
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| You have a good point but, if they are getting the message across why is it wrong? I think they need to do whatever works because later on you are going have someone you know that went through this and you are going to think back and say I wish they would have used ALL MEANS possible to catch them. I think it is not tricking them it is just playing their sick games and then saying "Game Over!"
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Posted: Tue Dec 12th, 2006 07:07 pm |
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| This is an argument that can go either way on is it ethically right for PJ to do what they do? I do think they have the right to do what they do but should not harass and call people after. It is embarrassing enought for the person who got caught and hopefully they learn from there mistake and do not do it again. I have seen on dateline where a guy has been caught twice and that to me is pretty bad. Law Enforcement is put in a tough situation because ethically this can be deceiving someone but also it is there job to get child predators arrested and protect our children in the community. As for the volunteer programs I don't think they can be stopped they have the right to go online and act like a child to catch an online predator just as much as the online predator is going online to interact with children. I think that PJ is trying to send the right message because now a days young girls don't know what they are getting themselves in with online offenders, but I just hope PJ does it in a right manner.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 06:30 am |
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| The PJ tactics, is a good way to arrest people who are are offenders. These people are seeking young women to exploit. Is it an ethical question and is it best on morals and values? Ethical to PJ tactics, the only thing they want to do is to help, they are not breaking any laws, it should be permitted to let these type of organizations to protect our children. Any type of misconduct should not be permitted, people know right from wrong.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 06:34 am |
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| Greetings, I understand your point of view of calling or harrassing people afterwards. If they do not, then how are tactics suppose to work. They are doing this to protect our children from sex offenders who are only seeking young people to destroy. These offenders know right from wrong, they know this is not permitted. How is the PJ tactic team interfering with their rights? They are not, they are being lied to (entrapment) but it is for a good cause.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16th, 2006 06:00 pm |
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| Sexual perverts they should not be allowed to do anything. I think we should lock them up in their rooms. They should never be allowed to use computers again and yes i think they should be all over the internet where they live. Maybe we should brand them so that when we see them on the streets we know who they are and that they are bad people. The article itself was very intersting though. I very much enjoy watching datlline where they walked up to a house that they think a young girls lives there and then they are arrested.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 08:09 am |
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1. I think it would be considered both noble cause misconduct and entrapment.
2. They should fall under ethical standards asnd they should not be able to do what they want.
3. I think if they are working with them they should have to follow the same rules and guidelines.
4. We have laws for a reason and if they are not followed it would be worse for our society.
5. People kow what is right and wrong but it is up to them if they want to follow it. What we value is based upon our beliefs.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 11:13 pm |
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| It is very unfourtunite that children are being taken advatage of on the internet. The inernet can be both helpful and very destructive at the same time. I think that it is a good thing what perverted juctcie is doing and to extent like your self. It is very disturbing that people are doing this. Now we have to look at what can we do to stop this. I think like you i don't think the should be using child pictures to lure offenders.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 11:15 pm |
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| I agree with you. Anyone who does must have a problem. Under no circumstances should an adult try to meet a minor. However as a society we have created this problem with the easy .access to the inernet. And you are right if you think trying to pick up kids on the computer is ok then yes you have a problem
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 03:06 am |
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The whole PJ idea is not a bad idea, but the way to approaching situation legally should have been looked at closer. They are just confronting them and posting their picture on the net. As the articles stated that they are just viglantes. They are brings what they think should be justice into their own hands. A better idea for them would be to watch out for those already registired as sex offenders to make sure that they do not continue their past habbits. The volunteer group is making a stand on a noble cause, but what evidence that they do gather can not stand due that they are not properly trainning in evidence gathering. If law enforcement was to follow this path of action it would not be a noble cause, because they are entintionaly going after the predators and not having the situation happen right infront of them.
A group like PJ should have to come under some form of ethical standard and fall under the Constitution. Groups that band together like this for other reasons are rogue groups that do not like to play by the rules. As one of the articles stated, what happens if a predator brings a gun to the "sting" and kills on of the PJ members or someone else? Will that mean that the PJ's will bring guns or other weapons to their next operation? But wouldn't that mean that they are praying on these people? This would come down to which predator is the lesser of the two.
If the group is to continue to have law enforcement involved in their actions, there should be some sort of trainning that they should have to go through. For just everyday citizens to be apart of law enforcement they have to go through some form of trainning or acadmey.
I feel that there is no crime nor type of criminal out there today that should deminish the need for law. If there was then wouldn't that lead to lawlessness?
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Posted: Thu Dec 21st, 2006 04:18 am |
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i believe that if a person outs a child predator and that child predator life is ruined, then the outer is not responsible. Rather the child predator is for committing this act in the first place.
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