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LByrum31507
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 06:05 pm |
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i believe that terrorism is a tool used by people to get their point across wether it be killing thousands of people like sept 11th, or a simply drive by a gang. These people dont care about what are happening to other people, as long you know what message they were trying to send. Terrorism is violent and someone always gets hurt or die for other peoples beliefs and ideals.
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LByrum31507
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 06:08 pm |
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i agree, no one ever thinks of gangs as terrorist, just messed up kids. I think we should turn to our own streets and try and clean up some of our terrorism, instead of trying to search for it in some other country.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 09:48 pm |
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| Well we watched a movie "The Weather Underground" last semester in my crime and delinquency class that talked about civil rights people being terrorists. They would do bombings against their own country so that people would listen to them. I figure a terrorist is anyone who harms another to press upon their personal views of a certain subject.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 09:50 pm |
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| I as well agree that we do need to being cleaning up the gang problem in our own country. There is a war at home going on here that is a lot more important then dealing with other countries and their problems.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15th, 2007 12:02 am |
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In response to the topic i believe that terrorist is difined by any person(s) whom uses force against a populus to coerce or spread fear in order to further there political or social objectives. It can take many forms, but from what I know and see through the news terrorism has much to with violent acts. I believe that any act of violence to prove a piont does nothing for a cause. People must learn to be more diplomatic.
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TdWatkinsCJ31507
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Posted: Thu Feb 15th, 2007 12:11 am |
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I agree that there is a gang problem as well throughout our society. However, there will always be a group of people within a society who want the brotherhood, freindship, and family-like environment. To most gang members this is all they have. This is an extention of their family. The live and die by their gang brothers and sisters. Its about gettin paid and having ownership. Ownership of a territory, a sense of home for the misguided.
These people want to protect whats theres and make money. There interest lie with whats best for not only themselves but for the collective whole of the gang.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15th, 2007 04:26 am |
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| In the book, Policing America, terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coeerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." Terrorism does not always involve guns and bombs. I thought that was pretty interesting. I never thought about that. I always associate terrorism with big groups of people who wants to destroy someone, or something. Terrorism is a hard factor for the Criminal Justice System to work on. Not only is it time consuming, it is quite costly.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15th, 2007 04:31 am |
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| I agree that terrorism is used to intimate some people. That is what terrorists want people to feel.. intimidated by them because they believe that they have the power to fighten people. Terrorism is a terrible event. It not only ruins a piece of our nation, but kills many innocent people who happens to be there at the the wrong place wrong time.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2007 09:26 pm |
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I agree. I do not think that gang members count as terrorists. They are not really out for political gain or influence. Any of their attacks are usually on other gang members for the purpose of their own personal gain, such as drug sales territory. Gang members are more of a public nuisance.
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RAlvarez-BrownCJ33007
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Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2007 09:30 pm |
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I have learned now and in the past that the definition of terrorism is generally a group of people with certain beliefs that try to cause fear in others for political or religious persuasion or gain. Also, terrorists usually attack civilians rather than a uniformed army. The first chapters of our book discusses terrorism and its definition in detail. It also describes the wheel of terrorism, showing certain crimes such as drug trafficing, that connect with this idea.
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msongco33007
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 12:26 am |
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I guess I could summarize what I've learned on terrorism in class. Basically, terrorism is a criminal act, which is a voilation of local law, that a group tries to influence upon another, whether its a political, a social, or a religious decision, with the means of force and fear.
Our text further explains the support or product of terrorism. Illicit Drug Trafficking, Money Laundering, Infiltration of Legal Business, Computer Crime, Illicit Arms Trafficking, Traffic in Persons, & Destruction of Cultural Property.
What amazes me the most is the impact 9/11 has had on the U.S. Terrorism has always existed in all the parts of the world. It dates back to the late 1700's during the "Reign of Terror" in France and has continued till this day. Before 9/11, the world was not as exposed to it until the horrible incident. Terrorism had many definitions, but one def. could not fully explain its meaning.
After the 9/11, it seemed that everyone knew or had an idea what it was. Homeland Security was established, which was the blending of many federal agencies, in order to better protect and prevent or stop terrorism. 9/11's impact had given the CJ system the chance to expand and offer different fields. More funding had gone into the agencies and srticter policies for aiports, borders, etc. were also established.
It's now 2007, and it seems like the world has moved back on from the tradegy. Yeah we've learned from and experienced terrorism and its effects, and we've tried to fight the "War on Terrorism," but do you think that if we were exposed to terrorism before 9/11 and had all the precautions that we have today, would it have helped or even prevented it? Why did it take a tradgey for the govt. to realize that terrorism is real and that we are likely a target just like other countries?
One more thing, does it seem like some of the regulations and standards at the airport has kind of eased up?
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 12:39 am |
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I know this reply is hella late, so if someone has already given a brief explanation on money laundering, well here's another one. 
From what I've read on wikipedia, which isn't to bad, it can be explained in 3 stages:
1.Placement: which is the point of entry for the dirty money to come in.
2.Layering: the creation of complex networks of transactions which attempt to obscure the link between intial entry point and the end of the laundering cycle.
3.Integration: is the return offunds to legitimate economy for later extraction.
What's also interesting is that the placement of money isn't that easy to do. If an idividual tries to make a large cash deposists or transcactions, more than $10,000, it can't be done without possibly drawing suspicion. It is then recored as "significant cash transactions" to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network with other suspicious financial activity which is "suspicious activity reports."
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mwatsoncj31507
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 08:23 pm |
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After 911 the idea of terrorists and terrorist acts escalated and angered many Americans. In this course we will be talking about law enforcements role in defending the United States and protecting us from another attack on our soil.
Federal law enforcement agencies have become more prepared and are better trained to respond to another terrost attack. The governement has also set up an individual department to handle terrosrists and their threats. The Department of Homeland Security has 23 federal agencies that focus on different aspects of protecting and preventing terrorist activities.
I feel safer knowing that attempts are being made to prevent more American deaths and agencies specifically focus on this topic.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 08:23 pm |
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After 911 the idea of terrorists and terrorist acts escalated and angered many Americans. In this course we will be talking about law enforcements role in defending the United States and protecting us from another attack on our soil.
Federal law enforcement agencies have become more prepared and are better trained to respond to another terrost attack. The governement has also set up an individual department to handle terrosrists and their threats. The Department of Homeland Security has 23 federal agencies that focus on different aspects of protecting and preventing terrorist activities.
I feel safer knowing that attempts are being made to prevent more American deaths and agencies specifically focus on this topic.
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smathercj31507
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 03:06 am |
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It seems the term "terrorism" is too vague and ambiguous in its' definition and application. It also seems to be a notion that varies according by whom it is being defined and to whom or what act the word is being applied. I have read and heard conversations where people from other countries (in other counrties while travelling) consider the U.S. to be
"terrorists" in that they apply intimidation tactics against other countries and their government for economic and political advantage or gains via sanctions, legistation, policies, etc.
Insofar as gangs or organized crime is concerned, well the jest of "terrorism" doesn't seem to fit the GENERAL social consensus of defining them as "terrorists." They do use "unlawful use of force... to intimidate or coerce ..the civilian population...for social objectives," but it isn't as far-reaching, perhaps, as the term was coined.
BUT as the text suggests, there may be a link between foreign terrorists and gangs. Maybe this is especially true for gangs that have a large population of members, are affiliated with international organized crime, and have economic means due to the production, sale, and distrubution of drugs or arms allowing them the financial means to fund terrorist activities or associate with known terrorist groups abroad joining to fight for similar causes or power.
Money, powe,r and access to some commodoties makes the world go 'round. Terrorists are involved in illicit businesses worldwide. Some are involved in very legitimate business with questionable connections or with individuals that are corrupt. Maybe the logic may seem a bit of a slippery slope to some, and maybe it is, but I think there is a lot of truth to the connections.
So, the point is- in case it got lost in translation- "terrorism," as the general public percieves it, is not a group we might see in Compton, Ca. Americans probably perceive [expect it] "terrorists" in the form of groups abroad. We should pay more attention to organized crime groups here in our backyards as a link to larger more powerful groups.
{Ranting}
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 03:08 am |
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Hey Paquet:
So can we call G. W. Bush a "terrorist"
......just a thought
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Posted: Wed Feb 21st, 2007 03:14 am |
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In response to Watkins-
Do you think SOME of the gang problem or delinquency would be offset or helped if our country, society, and culture emphasized "family" and "family-time" more rather than put such an emphasis on competition and material wealth?
If SOME people seek a family environment or friends- some social bond not being met at home- do you think SOME delinquency can be eliminated? Some of these problems are social constructs, right?! Of course, I'm not saying they will completely go away (that would be too "Polyanna" of me), but maybe it would help a little.
What do you think?
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Posted: Tue Feb 27th, 2007 12:24 pm |
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| Police are often compelled to engage in clandestine operation in order to arrest terrorists, hate crimes offenders, mafiosi, gang members, and illegal immigrants. Terrorism is "the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objective". To be honest I didnt know much about terrorism untill 9/11. Terrorism was not taught at my high school untill 9/11. It's funny cause I guess we "US" didnt think that we would ever be attack but we was attack big. I felt rel unsafe during 9/11, but I realize I have that same fear everyday when I'm walking down the street in my neighborhood. I believe that gangs are just as fearful and important as terrorism.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27th, 2007 12:30 pm |
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| I agree that social construct would help aloot of these kids. Growing up around gang members I understand them a little bit. Its so sad that most deliquents are just acting out for attention. They run to gang for support, popularity, and security. Maybe if they can recieve this at home, maybe they wouldnt need gangs. But because half of them dont have fathers or romodels, all they do is run the streets. And who is to blame for that?
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Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2007 01:24 am |
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tgravescj31507 wrote:
They run to gang for support, popularity, and security.
I would say that this comment about reasons for people joining a gang is similar to people joining a terrorist group. They are often young males, who are susceptible to the power of suggestion, and are somehow lured or coerced into their situations.
On the comment about who is to blame for individuals joining gangs, we could easily point fingers in many directions. The best thing to do at this point is to come up with solutions. What do you think?
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