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lauralee
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 12:33 am | 21st Post |
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| Like most of you I need my Bachelor's degree to have a better chance to promote within my department. That being said, I have learned a great deal from every class I have taken at Union. It has been a pleasant surprise! I am really enjoying expanding my horizons, learning new approaches and techniques. I have also gained a much better understanding of other areas of my department (especially technology!).
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dcardozaunion
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 01:37 am | 22nd Post |
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| I would have to say that an officer with only 3 months experience...yikes! That is a scary thought. But, an officer with about 2 years...that would be a great time. I feel an officer that has had about 2 years patrol experience has a basic understanding of what needs to happen and how to do their job. One year may be a Little early still. I love the idea...it would really need to be on a situational basis. Not every officer with even 3 years is ready to take on investigations. But, if a department has the staffing (which I think everyone is hurting for people), why not send someone in to assist the detectives. Even if the officer does the work no one else wants to do....they will learn from just being around it and watching what goes into an investigation. I still the the learning experience is wonderful and has the potential to really encourage growth in the officers.
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vdoosebrea410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 05:07 am | 23rd Post |
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| I am currently enrolled in Management of Criminal Justice Information Systems. The text book for this class has been more informative than I ever imagined. I have always been pretty educated about computers and information mangement type systems, however I am finding that the information provided by this class has increased my knowledge in this area to a new level. I hope to be able to utilize this new found knowledge to better my job performance and/or develop new processes within my department so that we don't get left behind in technology.
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vdoosebrea410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 05:12 am | 24th Post |
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dcardozaunion wrote: I would have to say that an officer with only 3 months experience...yikes! That is a scary thought. But, an officer with about 2 years...that would be a great time. I feel an officer that has had about 2 years patrol experience has a basic understanding of what needs to happen and how to do their job. One year may be a Little early still. I love the idea...it would really need to be on a situational basis. Not every officer with even 3 years is ready to take on investigations. But, if a department has the staffing (which I think everyone is hurting for people), why not send someone in to assist the detectives. Even if the officer does the work no one else wants to do....they will learn from just being around it and watching what goes into an investigation. I still the the learning experience is wonderful and has the potential to really encourage growth in the officers.
I work with KBragole, and I too believe that rotating officers through the detective bureau early in their career can be beneficial. If your department where to ever implement a program of this nature, the most important message that needs to be sent to those officers being assigned is: They are going to get out of the training, exactly what they put into the training. If they don't take it serious because its a one year rotational assignment, then the entire process will fail. Since they will be most likely getting cases they might not enjoy investigating, they need to keep a positive attitude and understand that it is a learning process.
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MKriBreaCJM410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:00 pm | 25th Post |
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I have been an officer since 1990 and just looking back from that time I have seen a lot of advancement in technology. And the technology has made all of our jobs a little easier. Our department, Signal Hill, did not even get MDC's until 1999. That alone is a huge help to officers and our dispatchers. Also, with the recent advent of portable fingerprint analysis devices that can give you instant feedback on a subject in the field. Technology has most certainly made our job a lot easier.
Mel
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MKriBreaCJM410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:12 pm | 26th Post |
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In my opinion, you are exactly right. Being in patrol and completing a lot of your own investigative work is a great benefit for smaller departments. Smaller departments generally have the luxury of doing their own investigative work because we are not getting deluged with calls. When I worked for LB it seem like all we were doing was chasing calls (call to call to call). Patrol Officers did not have any time to do any of their own investigative work. It does make for a well-rounded officer, and I believe benefits your department and the citizens we protect and serve. Obviously, technology helps us all.
Mel
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MKriBreaCJM410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:19 pm | 27th Post |
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kbragolecjm410brea wrote: When I began the class, "Information systems" I had very little knowledge of how the computer systems, that I use every day during my investigations, work. I now have a better understanding as to how the systems work but also the technology behind them. What has helped me most is learning what systems are now available that can enhance my investigations.
Ken, you have gained a little knownledge, but you need more. Computers are easy to use - you just have to take the time - go slow. Its kind of like owning one of your horses - sure they are fun - but they can be a little messy too (and I think you stepped in some so please wash your shoes).
Mel
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MKriBreaCJM410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:20 pm | 28th Post |
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dcardozaunion wrote: I think as a patrol officer we are disadvantaged when we rely on detectives or crime lab to handle all the evidence. I know at my department we are so busy we basically put a band aide on the situation and forward it to detectives. The detectives then follow up with the case a few weeks later. I know....I have lost out on a lot of knowledge and ability due to this practice. If we as patrol officers had the opportunity to collect and follow up with evidence, we would be much better at handling and understanding it and its importance. I worked for a department prior to my current department where we had the opportunity to complete our investigations. I felt that made for a much more well rounded officer.
In my opinion, you are exactly right. Being in patrol and completing a lot of your own investigative work is a great benefit for smaller departments. Smaller departments generally have the luxury of doing their own investigative work because we are not getting deluged with calls. When I worked for LB it seem like all we were doing was chasing calls (call to call to call). Patrol Officers did not have any time to do any of their own investigative work. It does make for a well-rounded officer, and I believe benefits your department and the citizens we protect and serve. Obviously, technology helps us all.
Mel
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MKriBreaCJM410
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Posted: Mon Jul 28th, 2008 07:26 pm | 29th Post |
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kbragolecjm410brea wrote: Dcardoz
I am the detective sergeant at my department, and we have a program which rotates a patrol officer into the detective bureau for a year. During that year, the officer handles a caes load just like any other detective, files cases and handles evidence. This program has many benefits. First, the officer has the opportunity to learn about the evidence process, how to file cases with the DA, and learn some new investigative techniques. It also give the officer an opportunity to read "many" reports and learn what is needed during the patrol field investigation, that is sometimes left out. The program is also good for the department because it allows for a little more movement and a chance to do something new that will enhance their ability to investigate crimes once they are back in the field. So far, this program has been working well, you might want to purpose this idea to you admin.
Ken,
I believe this is a huge benefit for our department, but you might want to think about making the rotation 1 1/2 years. After all the schools you send the new detectives to are completed, they are just getting into the swing of things when they have to be moved out. Let them have one complete year of handling cases and six months of various detective schools.
Mel
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dbertkaunion
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 02:58 pm | 30th Post |
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I agree, the 450 PAU course text Business, Government, and Society is informative and relevant in today's economic times. It is interesting to read the text and compare the financial crisis that we are in to the reading. There is a lot of reading in the text regarding ethics, and Steiner and Steiner probably need to put out a 12th edition to cover the unprecedented unethical behavior by banks, lenders, hedge funds, and the like.
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dbertkaunion
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:03 pm | 31st Post |
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| I agree, the 450 PAU course text Business, Government, and Society is informative and relevant in today's economic times. It is interesting to read the text and compare the financial crisis that we are in to the reading. There is a lot of reading in the text regarding ethics, and Steiner and Steiner probably need to put out a 12th edition to cover the unprecedented unethical behavior by banks, lenders, hedge funds, and the like.
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dbertkaunion
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 03:26 pm | 32nd Post |
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The material learned from PAU 450 has been beneficial to my career as the material makes you think about issues that you would normally not discuss. There are issues that the text discusses that are relevant to ethical decisions and social responsibility that make you wonder what the rest of the business world was thinking. There are many lessons that have been learned from the past and ignored, with the business community of today after the easy dollar. Why couldn't experts predict the mortgage crisis, or GM building and living off SUV's. From my perspective it was the experience of others and values discussed in the text were set aside for profit.
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kboddyunion
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 06:40 pm | 33rd Post |
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rsmallarcadia410 wrote: kbragolecjm410brea wrote: Dcardoz
I am the detective sergeant at my department, and we have a program which rotates a patrol officer into the detective bureau for a year. During that year, the officer handles a caes load just like any other detective, files cases and handles evidence. This program has many benefits. First, the officer has the opportunity to learn about the evidence process, how to file cases with the DA, and learn some new investigative techniques. It also give the officer an opportunity to read "many" reports and learn what is needed during the patrol field investigation, that is sometimes left out. The program is also good for the department because it allows for a little more movement and a chance to do something new that will enhance their ability to investigate crimes once they are back in the field. So far, this program has been working well, you might want to purpose this idea to you admin. This was suggested by our new chief (of 2 years), with a slight difference. His thoughts are to have each probationer come through the bureau for approximately 3 months to get their feet wet. Do you (as a DB Sgt.) feel this is too soon for the young officers, or do you find that this is helpful? I'm not sure that I'm too cool with the idea, as I find more and more new officers already overwhelmed with all the patrol stuff they are learning anyways! In one ear, out the other, but only because there's so much going on. Thoughts? I agree with you. It is too soon to have an officer go and learn detective work. I would agree with sending the person in training to the detective bureau for a week, to learn the basics of what detectives need in reports, but at this point in the officers career, he/she has no idea of how to be a cop. They need to learn how to spot criminals, conduct basic investigations and handle the stress of patrol work. Some agencies I know, will have the trainee's spend a week with each specialty unit, to learn what the unit does. This can help the trainee during his training process and as they progress in patrol
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kboddyunion
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 06:42 pm | 34th Post |
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| From both of the courses I am taking, terrorism and technology. I have learned a great deal about the resources available to me to help me in my job. I can use this information on a daily basis, but it now gives me more resources to pass on to other officers to assist them in their assignments and investigations.
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dmondary
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 11:32 pm | 35th Post |
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cjustice wrote: All Union Institute and University Summer 2008
(Includes Session I, Session II and Semester Learners)
You must make two posts to receive full credit.
Discuss how what you have learned thus far will impact your career. For those of you currently in criminal justice, take the lead. Tell your future colleagues how you see what you are learning having a direct impact on what you are doing now. For those of you whose careers are yet in the future, how as what you have learned changed what you think about your potential career? Recall that you are to, at a minimum, make one original post, and then respond to one other person.
how this class will impact my career is with the resource information I have gained. I have been able to locate information quicker and found a number of resources I did not know existed before, especially for statistical data. I have appreciated all the information I have received from this course.
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dmondary
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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 11:38 pm | 36th Post |
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Mel,
I agree with you that technology has been a benefit and I would not change it but at times I think it handicaps us too. When I started my career we did not have either MDC's or MDT's. I think it effects our guys memory that they sometimes can not remember simple house numbers without referring to the MDC. Plus they freak when they are down and do not think they can accomplish things the old fasioned way.
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rornelasuniontwintowers410
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Posted: Mon Aug 11th, 2008 07:09 pm | 37th Post |
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This class has given me tools in the use of technology for law enforcement purposes. In doing research for my class presentation I learned about the existence of Interpol and it's benefits to the international law enforcement community. Interpol can serve as a model for local agencies to emmulate.
Local law enforecment has evolved in its use of technology however it's limited in its communication and sharing of information. For example, many agencies at the local level do not have a strong communication platform for the sharing of information. It's critical that agencies have the capability to share real time information thus helping the law enforcement community in the preventing, identifying and solving of crimes. It's important that law enforcement strategically utilize its resources to use the advances in modern technology.
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rornelasuniontwintowers410
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 12:54 am | 38th Post |
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I agree. I have always considered myself savvy in the area of technology. The information in the book as well as the lectures has giving me a new perspective on police technologies. I have acquired knowledge that will assist myself and my department.
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